Sunday, January 28, 2007

Jane Fonda: From Vietnam to Iraq

Jane Fonda was back in the public eye at the Peace March in Washington, DC yesterday. For those of you too young to remember, you might like to read about her famous career from a nice, neutral news source, like, say Al-Jazeera, which you can do by clicking here.

When the US left Vietnam, they did so in a hurry, and Orders went out from the invading North to kill all South Vietnamese officers, including their wives down to the rank of Second Lieutenant. Cambodia then got busy killing its enemies, including burying many alive up to their heads in sand, resulting in an unusually gruesome death. No one really knows how many died after the US left, but counting in the millions is probably about right.

Of course, at the fall of Vietnam all Western news sources disappeared, so much of this was hidden from the public view.

Vietnam was an extremely different type of war, and comparing it to the situation in Iraq isn't very helpful, except when it comes to analyzing the anti-war movement and in anticipating another bloodbath which could easily follow too hasty American withdrawal.

The Democrats seem to be willing to spend some time discussing making some benchmarks and goals for Iraq before we bring home the troops, and I hope they get serious about that. Talk that the Iraqui people don't want Democracy is stupid; they have voted and voted and voted in ever greater numbers for Democracy. They now need the goal, the tools, the will, the resolve, the hope that civil order can be imposed on their country. That is absolutely essential, for Democracy, and every American should make a firm resolve that this is the right and proper course of action before we leave.

Above, right, is a photo of the last helicopter (or one of the last helicopters) leaving from the roof of the American Embassy in Vietnam. While the terrible loss of life in the aftermath of US departure was not subject to much jouralistic coverage, we owe more to Iraq and more to ourselves than letting wholesale killing take place when we depart.

The old folks, who marched for peace in the Vietnam era, can't forget the incredible fun of their early days of activism. Fueled by good music, good dope, and good lovin' in the pre-AIDS era, there is a nostalgia that draws them again and again to the movement of their youth. Their stories have led yet another generation to try to recreate the good times taking place in the US while soldiers suffered abroad.

Jane Fonda is now 69 years old. The easy life she has led makes her look much younger. While news reports state that she appologized for her action in Vietnam, the truth is that she only appologized for having a photo taken that made it look like she was shooting down US planes. She is not a patriot, and many would think that she is indirectly responsible for as many deaths as Saddam Hussein himelf.
Note on the photos: The top photo is a famous photo showing Jane Fonda atop an ANV tank. The ANV killed over 40,000 Americans in Vietnam. The second picture is a photo of the lucky people who were able to be helicoptered out of Vietnam by the US embassy when America withdrew its troops. Thousands of Vietnamese tried to enter the American embassy at that time, desperately seeking to leave the country. It is likely that most were killed by the ANV. The third photo is a poster advertising Woodstock, the famous rock concert.



Blogger Chuck said...

As a Vietnam veteran, I have never forgiven Jane Fonda for her treason just as I have never forgiven John Kerry for calling me a murderer, rapist and baby killer.

People like Fonda and Kerry inspired protestors to spit on me, my wife and my children when I returned from Vietnam on Christmas Eve 1968. I sincerely hope Fonda and Kerry rot in hell for their hatefulness and that their deaths will not be easy.


Jan 29, 2007, 7:36:00 AM  
Blogger copy editor said...

Sorry about what you went through when you came back, Chuck.

Jan 29, 2007, 9:52:00 AM  
Blogger Publia said...

This post was for you, Chuck, and all those who suffered for Jane Fonda's actions. There is now an entire generation who doesn't know about Jane Fonda; they deserve to know the truth.

Jan 29, 2007, 6:38:00 PM  
Blogger Praguetwin said...


I'm with CE on that. I hope that if nothing else we have learned that the soldiers are heroes even when our leaders send them to the wrong place.

I have nothing but respect for the men and women who wear the uniform. I think most people feel the same as I do no matter what they feel about the war in Iraq.


When you stick a knife in someone, it doesn't really bleed that much right away usually. It is when you pull it out that the real bleeding begins.

Better not to stick it in in the first place if you ask me.

Good post, by the way.

Jan 30, 2007, 12:48:00 PM  
Anonymous lee said...

A comment from a POW who knew Jane Fonda.
In Memory of
my brother -in- law
LT. C.Thomsen Wieland
who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton
She really is a traitor
This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do
not remember, and didn't have to bear the
burden that our fathers, mothers and older
brothers and sisters had to bear..
Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the
'100 Women of the Century.'
Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still
countless others have never known how Ms.
Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country,
but specific men who served and sacrificed
during Vietnam
The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.
The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.
In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF
Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison
the ' Hanoi Hilton.'
Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell,
cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was
ordered to describe for a visiting American
'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane
treatment' he'd received.
He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was
dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward
on to the camp Commandant 's feet, which sent that officer berserk.
In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his
flying career) from the Commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton.
From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the
'Hanoi Hilton',,, the first three of which his family only knew he was 'missing in action'.
His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and
clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation' visit.
716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of
DSN: 875-6431
COMM: 883-6343

Jan 20, 2010, 4:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Lee said...

More of the story on Jane
They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they were alive
and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number
on it , in the palm of his hand.
When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each
man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed
babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?'
Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat.. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped
rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed
him all the little pieces of paper..
Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Colonel Carrigan was almost number four
but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.
I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam , and was captured by the North
Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.
I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year
in a 'black box' in Hanoi My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a
nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot , South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the
Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs)
We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals....'
When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would
be willing to meet with her..
I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received... and how
different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as
'humane and lenient.'
Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched
with a large steel weights placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane.
I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her
if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.
These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part
of '100 Years of Great Women.' Lest we forget....' 100 Years of Great Women'
should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.
There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in
blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many
people as you possibly can.. It will eventually end up on her computer and
she needs to know that we will never forget
716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of
DSN: 875-6431
COMM: 883-6343

Jan 20, 2010, 4:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

These are all lies.

Aug 17, 2010, 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Knew to many that served in Vietnam. Horror stories are true.These men did not lie about Jane Fonda. My brother,a wonderful Christian man .Forgive everyone for wrong to him & others. Even ask God to watch over Jane Fonda.He died this month. Still called her a traitor She never asked for forgiveness for her actions in Veitnam.

Apr 26, 2011, 11:56:00 PM  

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